News-Herald beat writer Jeff Schudel and Sports Editor Mark Podolski agree the win over the Steelers was ugly, but it was a win over Pittsburgh, which doesn't happen often in Cleveland. Other topics include Jimmy Haslam's role as an out-front owner, Brandon Weeden's concussion and the weekly Pat Shurmur coaching watch.

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News-Herald beat writer Jeff Scudel and Sports Editor Mark Podolski discuss another Browns loss, fourth-down decisions, red-zone woes, first-half grades and much more.

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